APPROVED

 

PLAN COMMISSION

October 4, 2007

Troy Town Hall @ 7:00 p.m.

Hudson Wisconsin  54016

 

 

Members Present:     Ray Knapp, Dan Pearson, Chris Mueller, David Wolf, Bob Rolle, Mark Mitchell, Paul Mahler

 

Staff Present:             Rob Jones, Cedar Corp.

 

Recording Secretary:           Sharon Weide

 

Others present:          Lil Riedel, JoAnn Rivard, Jim Fitzpatrick, Dave Roeker, Darla Roeker, Wally                                        Riedel, Kernon Bast, Jan Cuccia and Jon Sonnentag.

 

Call to Order

Ray Knapp called the meeting of the Town of Troy Plan Commission to order at 7:00 p.m. followed by the Pledge of Allegiance.

 

AGENDA: 

  1. Approve Minutes; 
  2. Acknowledgement of applications for action as regulated by SDO;
  3. Carpenter Nature Center presentation;
  4. Saint Croix Business Park Roadway Design;
  5. Review & recommend request for additional phase – DCCI, Meadow Ridge of Troy;
  6. Concept – Kernon Bast, Cottonwood (Wilcoxson property);
  7. Building Permits/Utility Permits;
  8. Review & recommend Riverway application timeline;
  9. Committee Reports & correspondence;
  10. Adjourn;

 

1.      Approve Minutes; 

Minutes of the September Plan Commission meeting were reviewed.

 

Dan Pearson moved to approve the minutes of the September Plan Commission meeting.  Mark Mitchell seconded.

 

Paul Mahler amended the minutes to read Paul Mahler instead of Paul Mitchell on the bottom of page 3.

 

Motion passed, all in favor.

 

2.      Acknowledgement of applications for action as regulated by SDO;

There were none.

 

3.      Carpenter Nature Center presentation;

 

Ray Knapp told the Plan Commission that he had received a letter from the Carpenter Nature Center stating that they were interested in presenting their long range plan to both the Plan Commission and the Town Board.

 

Jim Fitzpatrick, Executive Director, Carpenter Nature Center, passed out copies of the Master Plan for the Center’s Wisconsin Campus.  He explained that this is the initial release of the plan and as such, was a work in progress.  He discussed the layout of the document, gave some history of the property, and reviewed the resources of the property and the Nature Center’s goals for development. 

 

Ray Knapp asked if the Nature Center was self supporting through endowments and/or fees.  Jim answered that it was a combination of both.

 

Dan Pearson asked if all of the development rights had been sold for the whole property.  Jim answered yes, and that the proceeds from the sale went into trust so that it would aid in the operation of all of the facilities.

 

Bob Rolle asked if there were any plans to replicate some of the activities that take place at the Minnesota Facility.  Temporarily interpretive activities could take place under tents, with portable out houses.  Jim answered that the Center has considered duplicating some of the activities but that the Trustees are very strict in their interpretation of the restrictive covenants that are in place until the year 2013.  There was additional discussion around this point, including the possibility of becoming part of the local school curriculum.  Jim also stated that they have been working on restoring the original habitat.

 

Mark Mitchell asked what would be housed in the three buildings the Center wants to erect.  Jim answered that they would be maintenance, administration, and interpretative buildings.

 

Chris Mueller asked if all the finances for the two campuses were combined, or kept separate.  Jim answered that they were combined with the exception of a $250,000 endowment by the original owner that is to be used for Wisconsin expenses only.

 

4.      Saint Croix Business Park Roadway Design;

 

Ray Knapp explained that he had previously received a letter from the City of Hudson regarding the construction of a road that will serve a portion of the St. Croix Business Park (north of Tower on Old Hwy. 35). 

He stated that Rob Jones had written a letter to the City expressing the Town’s concerns over the proposed location of the access roads.

 

Rob Jones reviewed the changes the City of Hudson had made in their design with the Plan Commission.  This change will align the access road to the business park with Lundy Lane and minimize Town intersections. In addition the new plan will provide connectivity if the parcel due north of the existing parcel is annexed.

 

There was a discussion between Bob Rolle and Rob Jones that clarified whether the required turn lanes had been addressed.  There was additional conversation regarding who owned the road and if it would be prudent at this time to begin negotiations for joint ownership between the City of Hudson and the Town of Troy.

 

Rob Jones will send a letter to the City expressing the Town’s appreciation for their response to the Town’s concerns.  He was also asked to note the Town’s goal of maintaining a rural atmosphere along Town roads and alert the City to the Town’s concerns about road cost sharing should the parcel to the north be annexed.

 

5.      Review & recommend request for additional phase – DCCI, Meadow Ridge of Troy;

 

Jon Sonnentag reviewed for the Plan Commission that DCCI is requesting approval to complete the Meadow Ridge of Troy project in three phases as opposed to the two phases that was previously approved.  The proposed schedule will construct Phase 2 during the summer of 2008 and Phase 3 during the fall of 2009/spring of 2010.  He went on to say that changes to the developer’s agreement have been agreed to with the Town Attorney and that the dollar amounts for the required letters of credit are being finalized.

 

Ray Knapp read an excerpt from last months Plan Commission meeting requiring a review by the Town Engineer of the completed phase to ensure that the developer is in compliance with the developer’s agreement to date.  He asked Rob Jones for input.  Rob Jones reported that the development is in compliance with the developer’s agreement and that original letter of credit is still in place so the Town is protected should that change.   He went on to say that Cedar has completed a review of the construction plans for the additional phases and doesn’t believe any modifications to the plans are needed. There was additional discussion between Plan members and Rob Jones clarifying the letter of credit requirements and the changes that have been made to the developer’s agreement.

 

Mark Mitchell moved the Plan Commission recommend approval of the additional phases for DCCI, Meadow Ridge of Troy contingent on the developer’s agreement being updated and signed by the Town Board meeting.  Paul Mahler seconded.  Motion passed, all in favor.

 

6.      Concept – Kernon Bast, Cottonwood (Wilcoxson property);

 

Jon Sonnentag, representing Kernon Bast, reviewed the original design that had been proposed at the July Plan Commission meeting.  He reminded the Plan Commission that they had some concerns about connectivity and visibility from County Road U.  He then presented an alternate plan that shows a cul-de-sac that could eventually provide connectivity to the west and also discussed screening possibilities.  He went on to speak in more detail about future development possibilities in the area and the connectivity solutions that each of the two plans provided.  He stated that his client is asking the Plan Commission to state their design preference before proceeding further.

 

There was considerable discussion between commission members on the pros and cons of each design, which would provide the optimum connectivity, the landscape plan and the lot configuration.  It was stated that Mr. Bast has agreed to limit the height of the homes built to 28’.  Mr. Knapp also asked if he would consider agreeing to limit the colors to “earth-toned” in the developer’s agreement.  Kernon Bast asked if there would be a problem with pulling the cul-de-sac down the hill.  If that were possible the homes could be built further down the ridge.

 

Ray Knapp then asked the Plan Commission members if they would support the maximum number of development rights on this property.  The consensus was yes because of the location of the property, just south of the Town of Hudson and in a comparatively developed area.

 

Paul Mahler expressed his concern that there be screening on the ridge and would like to see assurances that the screening remains.  Bob Rolle stated that the home height of 28’ includes the first level if that level is a walkout.

 

Ray Knapp then asked the Plan Commission which of the two options they would prefer to see move forward.  The consensus was option two with connectivity to the west.

 

Jon Sonnentag then described the configuration of the outlots in each option.  Ray Knapp asked if it would be possible for shared septics in this development as in Cottonwood South.  There was considerable discussion on this point that centered on State and County requirements, soil tests, the reasoning behind shared septics in Cottonwood South.

 

Wally Riedel, neighbor to the east, requested that a woven barbed wire fence and a berm be installed between the proposed development and his property in order to keep people from getting into his pond.  He went on to say that he plans to pasture the field next summer for horses.  He is also concerned about snowmobiles and ATV traffic, and increased runoff from the development into his pond.

 

Ray Knapp stated that any increase from natural runoff must be contained in the development.  Bob Rolle went on to state that the developer must pay for a fence where there are pastured farm animals, but that a berm would not be required.  There was additional discussion about liability if someone were to fall into the pond.

 

JoAnn Rivard, neighbor to the south, stated she and her husband would like a barbed wire fence with a berm and trees in the back.  They are also concerned about the additional septic and wells drawing down the water table.  Mark Mitchell asked her if connectivity to the west in the new design would be of benefit to her and her husband.  She said yes.

 

Ray Knapp summarized by saying that the Plan Commission generally concurs to the maximum number of development rights moving in.  The Plan Commissions preference is for option 2 with connectivity to the west.  The height of homes should be restricted and they should be constructed of earth-toned colors.  The tree line on the ridge should be filled in.  The developer shall construct a fence to accommodate the neighbors.  The developer should entertain shared septics and can present a future proposal to the Plan Commission.

 

7.      Building Permits/Utility Permits;

 

Members of the Plan Commission reviewed the Building and Driveway permits.

 

The following utility permits were submitted by Rob Jones of Cedar Corp.:

Permit #     Applicant                      Address                                    Project

U07-009     St. Croix Gas                415 S. Second St., River Falls     Installation of an underground natural

                                                                                                      gas line along the north side of Bjerstedt                                                                                                       Ln. from S. Glover Rd. to Sykora Ln.

                                                                                                      including boring under Bjerstedt  Ln. just

                                                                                                      east of the Sykora Ln. intersection.

 

U09-010     St. Croix Gas                415. S. Second St., River Falls    Installation of an underground natural

                                                                                                      gas line along the south & west side of

                                                                                                      S. Glover Rd. from Southern Pacific Rd.                                                                                                       to the S. Glover/Glover intersection

                                                                                                      including boring Southern Pacific Rd. &

                                                                                                      S. Glover Rd.

 

U-011         AT&T                          304 S. Dewey St., Eau Claire     Installation of an underground telephone

                                                                                                      line along the north side of Bjerstedt Ln.

                                                                                                      from S. Glover Rd. and extending 1775’

                                                                                                      westward.

 

Chris Mueller moved to recommend approval of the utility permits.  David Wolf seconded.  Motion passed, all in favor.

 

8.      Review & recommend Riverway application timeline;

 

Ray Knapp stated that that this item is not ready to discuss.

 

9.      Committee Reports & correspondence;

 

Ray Knapp reported that he received a copy of a certified letter on 9/23 from the Town Attorney to the bond holder for Precision Excavating and Grading. 

 

Ray Knapp received a copy of a letter addressed to Rob Jones regarding erosion control at Walnut Hills.  Rob Jones reported that he is working with the Town Attorney and Tammy at the County to develop a new time frame for completion.

 

Ray Knapp reviewed a letter from Joe Merchak and asked if the consensus from the Plan Commission was that the correct process, should Joe elect to move forward with his proposals, is to apply under the new Riverway Ordinance.  The consensus was yes.

 

Ray reviewed an email from Rob Jones to Bruce Lenzen that stated the documents still required in order for Mr. Lenzen to be on the November agenda.  Rob reported that the required documentation had been received.

 

Ray reported that he received a letter from Bob Setzer stating that the changes made at the boat launch continue to cause erosion on his property.  He will put the Seltzer’s on the October site visit agenda so that this can be resolved.

 

Ray handed out a letter from Cedar Corp. to Jill Berke outlining options available to the Town to acquire park land.

 

Ray handed out a packet from the DNR that states its ruling on the Ordinary High Water Mark.  He asked Bob Rolle if the Town should challenge the DNR’s findings.  Bob said no.

 

Bob Rolle reported on finding a zoning map that was adopted by the Town in 1980, and subsequently adopted by the County in 1982.  His belief is that this may affect zoning within the ETZ. 

 

Ray Knapp reported that he spoke with the Lockwoods on Ilwaco Road regarding the managed forest program they are enrolled in through the DNR.  They were asking if they needed to also apply for a permit from the Town to do the required tree cutting.  Bob Rolle reported that after verifying with the DNR, the Town does not get involved in this process, it is managed solely by the DNR unless illegal cutting takes place.

 

Bob Rolle reported that he attended an annual Riverway Commission meeting.  There were comments by the Sierra Club at that meeting that the Town had overstepped it bounds in enacting a riverway ordinance.  The RWO committee will be drafting a letter to the DNR asking for its legal opinion as to whether NR118 requires a county to enforce its riverway ordinance in Towns with village powers.

 

Dan Pearson reported that he received an email from the UWRF stating they are considering a wind generator and asking if any Town permits are required.  Ray Knapp stated that this would be a County special exception and that the Town would give its input to the County as requested.

 

Dan Pearson has been requested to meet with a landowner that is considering the possibility of donating land to the Town for a park.  This is within the River Falls Urban Boundary Area.  Ray Knapp and Bob Rolle suggested that Dan mention selling the development rights and then donating the land so that both the landowner and the Town might benefit from this.

 

Ray Knapp thanked the Plan Commission members for their attendance at the September site review.

 

10.  Adjourn;

 

Dan Pearson moved to adjourn the October 4 Plan Commission Meeting at 9:05 PM.  David Wolf seconded.  Motion passed, all in favor.