APPROVED

 

PLAN COMMISSION

November 6, 2009

Troy Town Hall @ 7:00 p.m.

Hudson Wisconsin  54016

 

 

Members Present:     Ray Knapp, Jan Cuccia, Joe Duerre, David Wolf, Bob Rolle, Mark Mitchell, Paul Mahler

 

Recording Secretary:         Sharon Weide

 

Others present:          Charlie Macdonell, Todd Bjerstedt

 

Call to Order

Ray Knapp called the meeting of the Town of Troy Plan Commission to order at 7:00 p.m. followed by the Pledge of Allegiance.

 

AGENDA: 

  1. Approve Minutes;
  2. Building Permits/Utility Permits;
  3. Discuss density standards related to future commercial development;
  4. Committee Reports & correspondence;
  5. Adjourn;

 

1.      Approve Minutes;

 

Minutes of the October 1, 2009 meeting Plan Commission meeting were reviewed.

 

Mark Mitchell moved to approve the minutes of the October 1, 2009 Plan Commission meeting.  Jan Cuccia seconded.  Motion passed, all in favor.

 

2.      Building Permits/Utility Permits;

 

Members of the Plan Commission reviewed the building permits.  There was one new home this month.  Jan Cuccia questioned the permits for a deck and a storage shed for Bob Vince as the construction appears to be in the riverway.  Ray Knapp will ask the building inspector to provide an explanation prior to the town board meeting.

 

The following utility permits were submitted:

 

Permit #     Applicant                      Address                        Project                                      Fee

 

U09-008     St. Croix Gas                415 2nd St., River          Installation of underground         $50.00                                                                    Falls, WI, 54022            gas service at 372 E. Cove Rd  

 

U09-009     St. Croix Elec. Coop      1925 Ridgeway St.,        Installation of an underground     $50.00

                                                      Hammond, WI  54002    electrical service at 576

                                                                                          Boundary Road

Mark Mitchell moved to recommend approval of the November 2009 utility permits as recommended by the town engineer.  David Wolf seconded.  Ray Knapp offered a friendly amendment to list permit numbers U09-008 and U09-009.  Motion passed, all in favor.

 

3.      Discuss density standards related to future commercial development;

 

Bob Rolle explained that the Commercial Zoning Committee (CZC) was looking for direction from the Plan Commission and the Town Board on permitted density within the proposed future commercial district.  He noted that the regulation of density is a "money" issue and is similar to the density and TDR currently contained within the town’s subdivision ordinance.  He explained that the majority of municipalities use a combination of building footprint and hard surface (parking lots, private roads and building footprints) as the limiting factor in commercial development.

 

He went on to say that the CZC feels that this issue is sensitive enough that it should be resolved by a recommendation from the Plan Commission and subsequently a decision by the Town Board.  He was not looking for a final recommendation at the conclusion of this meeting but he felt that a recommendation should come soon and that public hearings should be conducted within the next three to six months if not sooner.

 

He then reviewed the density standards currently in place for Hudson, Woodbury, and River Falls.  Bob and the Plan Commission went on to discuss a chart he had created that detailed an analysis of various open space/hard surface percentages.  The analysis took  into consideration the number of square feet of hard surface per 4.28 acres (with and without development rights transferred in), the number of acres potentially required for commercial development, the number of open acres that would be created if development rights were purchased, the hypothetical costs to a developer and the hypothetical gain to the seller.  There was considerable discussion clarifying the assumptions that were used in creating this chart.

 

Joe Duerre stated that the use of development rights in commercial zoning was foreign to him and that he felt guidelines should be developed that simply take into account the amount of impervious surface and storm water management in order control development.  Ray Knapp explained that the use of development rights created a financial incentive to farmers to keep land out of development therefore helping to maintain the rural atmosphere desired by the town.  Both Charlie Macdonell and Todd Bjerstedt, members of the CZC, explained that there is a balance that must be maintained in order to make a commercial operation marketable to a developer, while being consistent with town’s long range vision.

 

Jan Cuccia stated that she feels that the percentage of open space should be considerably higher than the percentage of hard surface (80/20 to 70/30 respectively).  Jan said she believes that the town should envision what it wants to look like in 50 years and then determine how we get there.  The remaining members of the Plan Commission felt that the percentage of open space should be lower in comparison to hard surface (60/40 to 40/60 respectively).  All members felt that the open space should be used to buffer commercial development from view and that any buildings should be low profile.  Jan added that energy efficiency should be encouraged.

 

Charlie Macdonell said that this issue isn't something that the CZC is going to determine, but rather the Plan Commission and the Town Board should set the guidelines and the standards.    Ray summarized the general sentiment expressed by the Plan Commission which is to allow a commercial density that is competitive, but creates commercial developments that blend into the rural nature of our community.  He reiterated that when the CZC has completed their document it will be reviewed by the Plan Commission and the Town Board.  Comments from both will be maintained with the document so that when the time is right to move forward with the comprehensive zoning ordinance it will be easy for people to pick up and complete.

 

4.      Committee Reports & correspondence;

 

Paul Mahler handed out a document explaining that the Wisconsin Court of Appeals had ruled that a homeowner who removed and reconstructed a non-conforming deck without a permit, by a lake, should not be granted a variance as the hardship was self-inflicted.

 

Jan Cuccia reported that Becky Lopez had handed in her resignation as Plan Commission recording secretary.  The town is actively looking for a replacement and hopeful that Shari will once again take the minutes.

 

5.       Adjourn;

 

Jan Cuccia moved to adjourn the November 6, 2009 Plan Commission meeting at 8:42 PM.  David Wolf seconded.  Motion passed, all in favor.